A story shared by a coworker of mine recently made me realize that I haven’t thought about religion in a long time.
Her story involved us having a laugh at a gaggle of faithful, church going Mormon folk that she encountered in a trip that took her through Salt Lake City. Although in the moment we were laughing at their expense I thought “who am I to judge these people on their faith when I’m barely even sure of my own.”
I was raised by a family that, although we acknowledged that we did indeed have a religious affiliation, we rarely ever expressed it save for the time around major holidays, so I had little reason to take it seriously.
That, and one of the defining moments my generations is that decade long war fueled in large part by undue religious hatred from both sides, so it would be easy for me to dismiss religion as a zealot’s practice, and thus no interest of mine. And yet, I am not an atheist. And believe me, I tried!
One of the main problems with religion is that those who speak for it (we shall call them the “not so silent minority”) spend more time talking about why opposing religions are wrong and rarely about why theirs is right.
This is of course, because religion is faith, not fact, and thus relatively indefensible. And yet, just because a few people who represent any given religion are whack-jobs does that somehow dismiss the religion to which they are subscribed?
I’ve always found atheists to be a rather unfriendly lot of people, what with their unsolicited “science-based” tirades and my-way-or-the-highway attitudes towards the rest of the world.
However, when looking at the way their opposition usually behaves it’s not hard to understand the bitterness. Still, you’d think they’d want to be more welcoming considering they’re fighting a battle they can’t help but lose (and this writer hopes they do.)
Religion has been a driving force behind cultural evolution since the beginning of time, for better and worse. To dismiss it entirely because you’re butt hurt over the time a few of the kids from the local private school picked on you is beyond petty, and to talk down to those who don’t share your beliefs (this goes for atheists and theists alike) makes you no better than the people you’re fighting against.
But we were talking about me weren’t we? Where’d I leave off? Oh, right, the Mormons. These people get a lot of crap from the media, and while I don’t necessarily agree with what Mormon figureheads have to say, I’ve got to say I find their religion quite quaint in its own way. It’s hard to look down upon their almost nauseating amount of optimism and their charming city on the hill outlook on Christianity. I don’t take it as gospel, but it’s far from harmful, unless you count their pushy, “read my book” nature as harmful.
CuriousCitizen • Nov 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm
To all who post here as “Atheists”: May I ask, why do you call yourself an Atheist? What reasons do you have for holding that position?
godlessveteran • Nov 10, 2014 at 8:34 pm
So you’re trolling for a reason to attack people who don’t believe in myths? Or do you truly not know what “atheist” means?
CuriousCitizen • Nov 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm
To all who post here as “Atheists”: May I ask, why do you call yourself an Atheist? What reasons do you have for holding that position?
godlessveteran • Nov 10, 2014 at 8:34 pm
So you’re trolling for a reason to attack people who don’t believe in myths? Or do you truly not know what “atheist” means?
Marxist Scum • Oct 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm
“A battle they can’t help but lose.”
I’d tend to disagree. 31 states now have marriage equality and the FFRF is winning battles every week to keep religion out of schools, those are just two of many examples of atheists “winning the battle”. Maybe you’ve got a lock-down on the metaphysical rewards after you die, but the atheists sure seem to be gaining ground on what matters in real life.
Gehennah • Oct 21, 2014 at 7:41 pm
Life, liberty, and justice for all.
I agree, we tend to be making progress for the most part despite what many religions are trying to push against.
Marxist Scum • Oct 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm
“A battle they can’t help but lose.”
I’d tend to disagree. 31 states now have marriage equality and the FFRF is winning battles every week to keep religion out of schools, those are just two of many examples of atheists “winning the battle”. Maybe you’ve got a lock-down on the metaphysical rewards after you die, but the atheists sure seem to be gaining ground on what matters in real life.
Gehennah • Oct 21, 2014 at 7:41 pm
Life, liberty, and justice for all.
I agree, we tend to be making progress for the most part despite what many religions are trying to push against.
Copyleft • Oct 17, 2014 at 8:24 am
What is this “battle they can’t help but lose,” I wonder?
Fictionalmyth • Oct 17, 2014 at 9:25 am
Seems like an ignorant attempt to plays Pascals wager, which is also a battle christians can’t help but lose either…which of the 5000 gods is the right one?
Ben Rettinhouse • Oct 17, 2014 at 10:29 am
That’s a very fair point and probably would have made for a far more interesting article had I decided to go with that angle.
godlessveteran • Oct 18, 2014 at 3:02 am
It might have been far more interesting if you hadn’t been a bigoted jerk. You should really have a conversation with atheists first before baselessly trash-talking them.
Your March 19th article describes exactly what you did here:
“Always know what it is you’re talking about. Too many times I’ve listened to people make complete fools of themselves by trying to present a lecture on a subject they know nothing about. Many times that somebody has been me.”
Grace • Nov 10, 2014 at 5:10 pm
I think I found the asshole athiest…..
godlessveteran • Nov 10, 2014 at 8:30 pm
And there you illustrate perfectly Ben’s concept of making a fool of one’s self by spewing nonsense about something that you have no clue about. Responding in the spirit of your comment, GFYS, Grace.
godlessveteran • Nov 11, 2014 at 11:25 pm
Also, I doubt you could find your own asshole even with a GPS.
Copyleft • Oct 17, 2014 at 8:24 am
What is this “battle they can’t help but lose,” I wonder?
Fictionalmyth • Oct 17, 2014 at 9:25 am
Seems like an ignorant attempt to plays Pascals wager, which is also a battle christians can’t help but lose either…which of the 5000 gods is the right one?
Ben Rettinhouse • Oct 17, 2014 at 10:29 am
That’s a very fair point and probably would have made for a far more interesting article had I decided to go with that angle.
godlessveteran • Oct 18, 2014 at 3:02 am
It might have been far more interesting if you hadn’t been a bigoted jerk. You should really have a conversation with atheists first before baselessly trash-talking them.
Your March 19th article describes exactly what you did here:
“Always know what it is you’re talking about. Too many times I’ve listened to people make complete fools of themselves by trying to present a lecture on a subject they know nothing about. Many times that somebody has been me.”
Grace • Nov 10, 2014 at 5:10 pm
I think I found the asshole athiest…..
godlessveteran • Nov 10, 2014 at 8:30 pm
And there you illustrate perfectly Ben’s concept of making a fool of one’s self by spewing nonsense about something that you have no clue about. Responding in the spirit of your comment, GFYS, Grace.
godlessveteran • Nov 11, 2014 at 11:25 pm
Also, I doubt you could find your own asshole even with a GPS.
JeromeMac • Oct 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm
“Butt-hurt”?, Really, that is what he writes? Wow, what high standards of writing. Sounds like an angry 12 year old.
Fictionalmyth • Oct 17, 2014 at 9:25 am
Would explain the authors adherence to imaginary friends and bronze aged myths.
JeromeMac • Oct 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm
“Butt-hurt”?, Really, that is what he writes? Wow, what high standards of writing. Sounds like an angry 12 year old.
Ann Onymous • Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Perhaps you should talk to some atheists before making sweeping, general negative statements about us.
Also, the Friendly Atheist covered this:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/16/after-school-newspaper-misrepresents-atheists-the-secular-students-on-campus-finally-have-their-voices-heard/
Ann Onymous • Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Perhaps you should talk to some atheists before making sweeping, general negative statements about us.
Also, the Friendly Atheist covered this:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/16/after-school-newspaper-misrepresents-atheists-the-secular-students-on-campus-finally-have-their-voices-heard/
brianmacker • Oct 16, 2014 at 7:19 pm
“I’ve always found atheists to be a rather unfriendly lot of people, what with their unsolicited “science-based” tirades and my-way-or-the-highway attitudes towards the rest of the world.”
Perhaps you shouldn’t use religion when having a conversation about science if you find science based answers to be “unfriendly” and “my way or the highway”.
brianmacker • Oct 16, 2014 at 7:19 pm
“I’ve always found atheists to be a rather unfriendly lot of people, what with their unsolicited “science-based” tirades and my-way-or-the-highway attitudes towards the rest of the world.”
Perhaps you shouldn’t use religion when having a conversation about science if you find science based answers to be “unfriendly” and “my way or the highway”.
ateo • Sep 5, 2014 at 9:05 am
“Religion has been a driving force behind cultural evolution since the beginning of time.” I am going to be the rude atheist. That statement offends both anthropologists and scientists with how wrong it is. People aren’t butthurt for being “picked on ” as much as they are offended that you are misusing psychology to make an uninformed, and wrong, point.
ateo • Sep 5, 2014 at 9:05 am
“Religion has been a driving force behind cultural evolution since the beginning of time.” I am going to be the rude atheist. That statement offends both anthropologists and scientists with how wrong it is. People aren’t butthurt for being “picked on ” as much as they are offended that you are misusing psychology to make an uninformed, and wrong, point.
Atheist • Sep 4, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Well that was an incredible hurtful tangent. You allow the vocal minority excuse to religious groups yet don’t consider that for the atheist community?
Secular Student on Campus! • Sep 4, 2014 at 9:29 pm
EXACTLY!
Atheist • Sep 4, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Well that was an incredible hurtful tangent. You allow the vocal minority excuse to religious groups yet don’t consider that for the atheist community?
Secular Student on Campus! • Sep 4, 2014 at 9:29 pm
EXACTLY!